tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8586513.post4498306860135444374..comments2024-03-03T22:01:12.376-06:00Comments on Pensacola Beach Blog: Frank Lay's Criminal Contempt OrderBeach Bloggerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16153908891922140526noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8586513.post-53852878987214203522011-11-04T02:33:59.990-05:002011-11-04T02:33:59.990-05:00It can't truly have effect, I consider like th...It can't truly have effect, I consider like this.www.valladolid-3d.comhttp://www.valladolid-3d.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8586513.post-92165815331006861432009-11-05T20:52:45.888-06:002009-11-05T20:52:45.888-06:00you are so foolish.you are so foolish.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8586513.post-6031380599197377632009-09-24T20:19:45.895-05:002009-09-24T20:19:45.895-05:00My name is Hunter Smith,
I go to Pace High and Fra...My name is Hunter Smith,<br />I go to Pace High and Frank "The Tank" Lay as we call him at school is one of the most religious man i've ever known, I saw him come out of court that day down at the Pensacola courthouse and a huge smile ran across my face. I'm a freshman there and this is the last year he'll be Principle before he retires, may god be with him.Hunter Smithhttp://myspace.com/twitch648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8586513.post-86570437533542276652009-09-19T13:28:44.081-05:002009-09-19T13:28:44.081-05:00Obviously the author of the article injected perso...Obviously the author of the article injected personal bias and was not a competent reporter. I prefer someone capable of reporting facts. The injection adjectives such as cowardice prove a lack of ability to be a reporter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8586513.post-34378703855598946782009-09-17T19:16:51.161-05:002009-09-17T19:16:51.161-05:00Read about the Tarek ibn Ziyad Academy. Read about...Read about the Tarek ibn Ziyad Academy. Read about the Tarek ibn Ziyad Academy. Read about the Tarek ibn Ziyad Academy. Read about the Tarek ibn Ziyad Academy. Read about the Tarek ibn Ziyad Academy.<br /><br />If you're too dense to even try to comprehend the above comment, look into the actions recently taken against the Tarek ibn Ziyad Academy in Minnesota.<br /><br />This ISN'T about Christianity. Anyone who says so is either being disingenuous, or they're ignorant. It's about government neutrality.<br /><br />Read about the Tarek ibn Ziyad Academy!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8586513.post-7350322572485856972009-09-17T19:10:51.161-05:002009-09-17T19:10:51.161-05:00Stop. Being. Ignorant. Fools.
These aren't ac...Stop. Being. Ignorant. Fools.<br /><br />These aren't actions being taken to suppress Christianity. Ever read about the lawsuit taken against Tarek ibn Ziyad Academy? Of course not. You're so convinced that this is about taking prayer out of schools and you're so convinced that Christianity is under attack that you taken a puerile, fanatical view without even having researched what this whole issue is about, haven't you?<br /><br />Lemme help you out: YOU'RE WRONG. This is about government secularism. This is about government neutrality. As long as the Constitution is upheld, your children can pray in school -- and your government leaders won't brashly display favoritism or enmity toward any religious disposition.<br /><br />Islam's the most rapidly expanding religious creed. The nonreligious population is greatly expanding, as well. The people in the comments complaining now will take a different view when they receive news of principals taking time at a school event to have everyone pray to Allah, or going on a rant about there being no God.<br /><br />-A student at Pace HighAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8586513.post-72539042788372297812009-09-17T16:16:52.650-05:002009-09-17T16:16:52.650-05:00Yes, it's very interesting that Christians are...Yes, it's very interesting that Christians are prohibited from "promoting, endorsing, or causing religious prayers during school-sponsored events." Try that on size for someone practicing Islam. No one could prohibit THAT. Whoever tried to keep a Muslim from publicly praying to Allah during school, or from promoting Islamic religious ideals during school and on school property, would be slapped with a violation of Constitutional rights so fast your head would spin. Hey, I know for a fact that not only is Islam promoted at schools, but courses about Islam are taught, as well courses on other false religions. There's your tax dollars at work for you! It's interesting to note that Christianity is the only religion under fire by government restrictions. Mention Jesus Christ is God and WOW! You're violating someone's rights. Mention Muhammad and Allah, however, and you get all kinds of government support, even financial support. Give me a break! How much more obvious does it have to be that the one true religion -- Christianity -- is the only one targeted for destruction? Yep. All the others are fostered and cultured and promoted, while Christianity is treated as the bane of existence. Government usurping our authority to publicly acknowledge and worship our God, Jesus Christ, is the real bane of existence. Separation of church and state means the state does not dictate to us how to obey God -- Jesus Christ does that. We obey God rather than men, period. And that God is our Savior and Redeemer, not a politician or a mixed-up Muslim.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8586513.post-12594480142184737742009-09-16T20:55:34.704-05:002009-09-16T20:55:34.704-05:00I applaud Lay for his prayer. As a Christian I am...I applaud Lay for his prayer. As a Christian I am sure that Lay is not fearful of a Judge or anyone else (on a blog or elsewhere) who may think of him as being wrong because Lay knows the only one who matters is God. No matter the outcome of the situation he stayed true to his beliefs. The prayer that was spoken that day hurt no one and may very well have blessed someones life. It's sad that our judical system wastes time on trying to punish a man for praying when there are more criminal things to punish than prayer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8586513.post-88297845763280610142009-09-16T17:08:05.510-05:002009-09-16T17:08:05.510-05:00Of course God can multi-task. He stands, by defini...Of course God can multi-task. He stands, by definition, outside of time and space so his "request processing interval" (RPI) has to be zero. If you take the limit of RPI --> 0 (as it approaches zero) you find that the number of request processed approaches infinity. Answering even the simplest prayer is easy for He who numbers the hairs of your head and sees every sparrow that falls to the earth. Q.E.D.<br /><br />For people who attempt to lay exclusive claim to rationality, atheists are amazingly irrational, illogical, and lacking in the basic understanding of foundational things.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8586513.post-58264907278475136672009-09-16T15:12:39.994-05:002009-09-16T15:12:39.994-05:00The whole lie about separation of church and state...The whole lie about separation of church and state (so called) is an attempt by godless men to silence those with whom they disagree. First the whole term "Separation of Church and State" discriminates against Christians and Christians only. Examine the definition of "church" from Black's Law Dictionary: <br /><br />"In its most general sense, the religious society founded and established by Jesus Christ, to receive, preserve, and propagate his doctrines and ordinances. It may also mean a body of communicants gathered into church order; body or community of Christians, united under one form of government by the profession of the same faith and the observance of the same ritual and ceremonies; place where persons regularly assemble for worship; congregation; organization for religious purposes; religious society or body; the clergy or officialdom of a religious body."<br /><br />Notice there is no "separation of mosque and state" or no "separation of temple and state". By constant appeal to a pretended “separation of church and state” an ugly and destructive form of anti-Judeo-Christian bigotry is fully exposed. This is why Al Gore didn’t get in IRS trouble for the Buddhist Monks campaigning for him and why Islamists can demand prayer rooms and prayer times in public schools. This is nothing more than anti-Judeo-Christian persecution in its purest and most toxic form.<br /><br />What these two men did was neither against nor contemptuous of law. The only people guilty of contempt are these villains, these enemies of human liberty who distort the law into a blunt instrument with which they bludgeon those who hold a Judeo-Christian worldview into silence. The ultimate and certain punishment of such men and women will be as terrible in its scope as it is eternal in duration.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8586513.post-53716617596207492322009-09-15T06:08:53.771-05:002009-09-15T06:08:53.771-05:00I really hate to see the "separation of churc...I really hate to see the "separation of church and state" quote misquoted...Jefferson wrote a letter to the Danbury Baptists saying that he would act as a "wall of separation between church and state", yes, but he said that to reassure the Baptists that he would keep the government out of their religion, not the other way around. That was said to keep the government out of the church, not vice versa!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09899683824815216612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8586513.post-17206622683285174672009-09-14T12:46:38.291-05:002009-09-14T12:46:38.291-05:00I fail to see why offering a prayer of blessing is...I fail to see why offering a prayer of blessing is "obnoxious" or "illegal." Is America just swimming in such a surfeit of blessings that it has to haul people into court if they ask for more? If you don't want blessings, then go right ahead and deny yourself. But don't deny others. And don't tell me the founding fathers prohibited public prayer -- they prohibited the government dictating to people how, when, and where to pray. What good is a government that forcibly restricts your asking God for blessings? That government is not only NO GOOD, but a BAD NEWS. As for being offended by a prayer of blessing, if you don't believe in God, what of it? A blessing is a blessing, after all. Who wants to be without that? Why would it bother you if someone asks for blessings? If you hate God so much, go out and make up your own litany of curses to wallow in, but do it on your own time in private instead of telling everyone else to stop, STOP, for Pete's sake, asking for BLESSINGS! AHHH! Not more blessings! Help! Call a judge in because the we're just so afraid that prayer might be answered.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8586513.post-56803678921884425192009-09-14T10:11:52.612-05:002009-09-14T10:11:52.612-05:00>Seriously?!? With all the problems >going o...>Seriously?!? With all the problems >going on today--including wars, >ethnic cleansings, and literally >millions of people starving to >death--this is where you wish for >the Almighty to focus His efforts?<br />><br />>Wow.<br /><br />Really, seriously - this is the Creator of the universe. Don't you think he can multitask?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8586513.post-6963920663138677272009-09-12T23:21:30.130-05:002009-09-12T23:21:30.130-05:00You don't know unless you actually WENT to the...You don't know unless you actually WENT to the school. It was obnoxious and absolutely uncalled for. I graduated class of 2009 and did the duel enrollment program for a year to get away from that ridiculous school. He's guilty.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8586513.post-22757033069333922262009-08-20T21:13:31.754-05:002009-08-20T21:13:31.754-05:00"intensionality" ...really? hhhhmmm
I..."intensionality" ...really? hhhhmmm<br /><br />Its funny, if a soldier is given an order that is unconstitutional (against UCMJ, or whatever), it is his obligation not to follow the order.<br /><br />All I see is legislation from the bench and ACLU complicit 'mean spiritedness'. So much for an organization living up to its name.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8586513.post-89255613827255479202009-08-20T15:42:10.351-05:002009-08-20T15:42:10.351-05:00Patriot, willingness and willfulness are two diffe...Patriot, willingness and willfulness are two different things. Willingness refers to someone's inclination to want to do something, a person is prepared to act a certain way. Willfulness is the intentionality of a person's actions, whether they are doing it purposefully. The difference seems subtle. But in court, there's a world of difference, with each term having their own specific legal definition.<br /><br />Let's not be disingenuous. A person who unwillfully breaks a court order does so because they misunderstand the requirements of that court order. Judge Rogers told Frank Lay directly to stop "promoting, endorsing, or causing religious prayers during school-sponsored events."<br /><br />What is there to misunderstand? Do you really believe that Frank Lay made this action involuntarily, "accidentally"? The man VIOLATED AN ORDER FROM A JUDGE, which was a result of LEGAL ACTIONS TAKEN AGAINST HIM MONTHS BEFORE, which was ENTIRELY RELEVANT TO THE CASE IN WHICH IT WAS ISSUED, and which was UNAMBIGUOUSLY SPELLED OUT TO HIM. How do you "misunderstand" that? How are you even forgetful and inattentive after something like that?<br /><br />No, this was no unwillful, unintentional act. This is the act of a man who believes that he can get away with things because he thinks everyone has the same mindset as he does -- a haughty, grossly miscalculated act.<br /><br />--A Christian in Pace, FLAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8586513.post-18530793168282019232009-08-19T02:07:09.170-05:002009-08-19T02:07:09.170-05:00The charges brought against the accused are not wh...The charges brought against the accused are not whether or not there was a prayer or "food blessing" done at a boosters luncheon after a court ordered injunction prevented the school district from "Permitting school officials to promote their personal religious beliefs and proselytize students in class or during school-sponsored events and activities." The criminal contempt charge is simply whether or not they displayed "WILLFUL failure to comply with a court order," (As defined by Florida law). <br /><br />From the series of internal memos between Lay and Wyrosdick (superintendent):<br /><br />"My actions were overt and not meant to circumvent any court order..." ~ Lay memo to Wyrosdick 2/4/2009<br /><br />"In a meeting at Pace High School…You shared that you are, and were, at the date of this incident aware that this type of action is not permissible under the injunction. You also shared that your action was not intentional in circumventing the court order." ~ Wyrosdick memo to Lay 2/5/2009<br /><br />This does not say he willingly violated the court injunction. It indicates that as of the date of said meeting, including some time on the date of the luncheon, he was aware that that type of action was not permissible - and on at least two occasions (the Lay memo to Wyrosdick and the meeting at Pace High thereafter) Lay admits to the wrong-doing after-the-fact, but insists at the time of the incident it was unintentional.<br /><br />Principal Lay commented to the Pensacola News Journal, "We did what we normally do in the South before we eat," he said. "I wasn’t trying to hurt or offend anybody or cause any consternation."<br /><br />Giving these people the benefit of the doubt and the right to presumption of innocence, isn’t it just as plausible that Lay didn’t realize any wrong-doing until after the luncheon had taken place and not at the exact moment that he initiated the "food blessing?"<br /><br />The court must prove that they willingly and intentionally violated the injunction.<br /><br />--A Patriot in Pace, FLAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8586513.post-11844360705757773162009-08-19T01:01:39.863-05:002009-08-19T01:01:39.863-05:00"God, Holy Father of all, I PRAY you make thi..."God, Holy Father of all, I PRAY you make this the center of your Will."<br /><br />Seriously?!? With all the problems going on today--including wars, ethnic cleansings, and literally millions of people starving to death--this is where you wish for the Almighty to focus His efforts?<br /><br />Wow.Phoebushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14323725047015606909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8586513.post-66362108403239928832009-08-17T19:58:58.760-05:002009-08-17T19:58:58.760-05:00Actually, there are two clauses in the First Amend...Actually, there are two clauses in the First Amendment of the US Constitution which determine the relationship between church and state: the Establishment Clause (Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion...) and the Free Exercise Clause (...or prohibiting the free exercise thereof).<br /><br />The Establishment Clause is not limited to the government establishing a religion (lol). The purpose of both clauses, and I quote Jefferson here, is to provide a "wall of separation between church and state." The Supreme Court picked up on the meaning that our Forefathers had intended to convey. Read on Lemon vs. Kurtzman. That case brought forth the Lemon test:<br />1. The government's action must have a secular legislative purpose;<br />2. The government's action must not have the primary effect of either advancing or inhibiting religion;<br />3. The government's action must not result in an "excessive government entanglement" with religion.<br /><br />A government entity's prayer at a school function does not convey secularism. It does not convey neutrality with its bold declaration of favoritism and exclusion. And the level of entanglement is almost as excessive as it gets.<br /><br />Blake, it was my understanding that the students who were prohibited from speaking at the graduation were excluded NOT because they were Christians, but because they had been chosen by the faculty to speak. The faculty, therefore, represented themselves through the students. If a student had decided to praise God, this reflected on the faculty. It would make us wonder what motivated the faculty to choose these particular students.<br /><br />If the kids themselves had chosen a student to speak, that's fair. They can say whatever they wish because they're not government entities. In fact, I was at the most recent graduation, and a student (top of the class, I believe?) did speak on less secular terms. And that was fine!<br /><br />See? The system works. You just have to understand it, and you have to respect it. People of all religions (or who are involved in the lack thereof, as the case may be) are protected this way.<br /><br />--A Christian in Pace, FLAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8586513.post-65229648623109430602009-08-16T23:43:02.733-05:002009-08-16T23:43:02.733-05:00Just a few corrections...One,the luncheon wasn'...Just a few corrections...One,the luncheon wasn't for students. It was for School employees and booster club members. Another thing noone is mentioning is that their was a clause in the settlement between the schoolboard and the ACLU that stated the class president and the student body president(specifically those two students) weren't allowed to spek at graduation,for the first time in 33 years, because they are Christians.Blakenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8586513.post-87667247396194324342009-08-16T23:04:39.238-05:002009-08-16T23:04:39.238-05:00I believe the amendment says the government cannot...I believe the amendment says the government cannot ESTABLISH a religion. It says nothing about any person saying a prayer. A person saying a single prayer, whether it be Muslim, Jew or Christian, or any other religion, is not ESTABLISHING a religious overthrow of the public school system in The U.S. I sincerly hope the judge has read the Constitution and can inform the ACLU of it's misintepertation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8586513.post-48479848388093166412009-08-14T02:52:19.800-05:002009-08-14T02:52:19.800-05:00Orlando, FL's comment is ridiculous. You can G...Orlando, FL's comment is ridiculous. You can Google it for yourself: the ACLU sued the Tarek ibn Ziyad Academy (a 'Muslim' charter school) earlier this year.<br /><br />In any case, an argument from circumstance does nothing to resolve the original issue. Frank Lay, as a government entity, promoted prayer at a school-sponsored event. No speculations on "special treatment" can change the fact that this was a violation of constitutional law.<br /><br />-- A Christian in Pace, FLAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8586513.post-14645677468766101292009-08-13T15:53:31.215-05:002009-08-13T15:53:31.215-05:00It's a shame these two men are not Muslim. I ...It's a shame these two men are not Muslim. I am sure if they had offered up a prayer to Allah during the luncheon they would have been applauded by the ACLU for being culturally diverse. For some reason only Christians get the title of being closed-minded.A Christian in Orlando, FLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8586513.post-20632857457535637142009-08-13T11:27:23.918-05:002009-08-13T11:27:23.918-05:00Do you people intentionally avoid understanding co...Do you people intentionally avoid understanding constitutional law, or do you have difficulty understanding it? Frank Lay is allowed to be Christian. When he is not at a school event, he can pray his little heart out, preaching the Bible in whatever volume he wishes. When he promotes prayer at a school event after he's FIRED, he'll be perfectly within his rights. <br /><br />A government entity is not permitted to promote a religion. If you work for the government, you are not allowed to promote your religion in the context of your work. On the top of a plethora of reasons, it's to avoid favoritism and exclusion. I know it's hard to deviate from your own egocentric points of view, but not everyone believes in our God.<br /><br />-- A Christian in Pace, FLAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8586513.post-42860856936371350472009-08-10T21:30:31.578-05:002009-08-10T21:30:31.578-05:00Who is the idiot? The one who prays to a god he c...Who is the idiot? The one who prays to a god he can not see, or the one who is offended by a god he doesn't believe exists?Alison Wonderlandnoreply@blogger.com